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Better: A Surgeon's Notes on Performance

Atul Gawande á 7 Read Read Better: A Surgeon's Notes on Performance 107 Y and what it means to do right by people take us to battlefield surgical tents in Ira to labor and delivery rooms in Boston to a polio outbreak in India and to malpractice courtrooms around the country He discusses the ethical dilemmas of doctors participation in lethal injections examines the influence of money on modern medicine and recounts the astoundingly contentious history of hand washing And as in all his writing Gawande gives us an inside look at his own lif. At a time when coronavirus has shifted medical care and delivery to a forefront of public discourse and a messy combination of research and misinformation is pouring out at the leading edge of science I feel myself prone to wrapping myself in a blanket of scientific security No other science writer can I turn to readily than Atul Gawande Having become a fan of his New Yorker articles and books I respect him and as I become further acuainted with his work Better though not my favorite of his reminds me why Gawande is one of my trusty science writers Facilitated by personable writing and a clear thesis he carves an entryway into medicine s inner workings and healthcare delivery for the general public in a smooth and painless way Better includes a number of New Yorker pieces that he wrote in the late 90s and early 2000s These short narrative pieces can come across as vignettes yet he ties each of the parts together to form a cohesive argument for how physicians can improve medical performance Divided into three sections he aims to address the ways that doctors can be diligent do right and use ingenuity to ultimately benefit the patient We are taken on his personal journeys interviews and analysis of historical records from as varied settings as cystic fibrosis centers hospitals in India military zones in Afghanistan and Ira and execution chambers The paradox at the heart of medical care is that it works so well and yet never well enough Because of this Gawande articulates a compelling necessity to strive for doing better One of the chapters I found most memorable was Bell Curve in which he discusses how specialized treatment centers fall on a bell curve of patient outcomes even when controlling for differences in patient demographics Like other sections of the books he weaves in case studies with statistics to closely scrutinize standard medical practices In his dedication and openness to understanding successful methods of improving healthcare delivery he can reveal important lessons that resonate with us all If the bell curve is a fact then so is the reality that most doctors are going to be average There is no shame in being one of them right Except of course there is What is troubling is not just being average but settling for it Everyone knows that averageness is for most of us our fate And in certain matters looks money tennis we would do well to accept this But in your surgeon your child s pediatrician your police department your local high school When the stakes are our lives and the lives of our children we want no one to settle for average I never walk away from Gawande s books feeling like an expert rightly so because they are aimed at broader comprehension and finding big picture patterns in medicine His subject matter does invite controversy as he writes about lethal injections for the death penalty and medical malpractice suits Yet in other places he provides compelling evidence that give credence to his prescriptive calls for improvement such as feasible ways of encouraging doctors to wash hands with a demonstrative account of the lives it can save when implemented with diligence The issues he covers are by no means irrelevant for today s healthcare system give or take a few inevitably outdated statistics since 2007 even important many of them remain unresolved today By no means comprehensive Better still presents as a direct and solid opinion piece on ways to improve medical care and how better physicians are one essential piece in the fabric of attaining the best possible outcomes for patients The Politics of Disillusionment The Chinese Communist Party Under Deng Xiaping 1978 1989 Studies on Contemporary China it means to do right by people take us to battlefield surgical tents Three Little Animals in Ira to labor and delivery rooms Travels in Northern Greece in Boston to a polio outbreak Yalnız Olmuyor in India and to malpractice courtrooms around the country He discusses the ethical dilemmas of doctors participation Rubbish in lethal Seeds of Disaster, Roots of Response injections examines the Alliance Brand : Fulfilling the Promise of Partnering influence of money on modern medicine and recounts the astoundingly contentious history of hand washing And as The Well of Being in all his writing Gawande gives us an Introduction to the World Economy inside look at his own lif. 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Atul Gawande á 7 Read Read Better: A Surgeon's Notes on Performance 107 The struggle to perform well is universal each one of us faces fatigue limited resources and imperfect abilities in whatever we do But nowhere is this drive to do better important than in medicine where lives are on the line with every decision In his new book Atul Gawande explores how doctors strive to close the gap between best intentions and best performance in the face of obstacles that sometimes seem insurmountable Gawande's gripping stories of diligence ingenuit. I have had a lot of doctors in my life The best one I ever had was the surgeon who failed Before I went under he told me it would take about 2 hours and had an 85% success rate When I woke up nearly five hours had passed I was in far pain than I had been led to expect and he was waiting to tell me that I was in the 15% that he hadn t saved my eye and that he would be ready to talk to me as soon as I was back on my feetWhen he retired several years later I wrote him a thank you note Because he did his best and it wasn t enough and he knew it and he told me so honestly and in great detail as many times as I needed to hear it and he held his office trash can for me to throw up in and he waived thousands of dollars in bills so he could keep seeing me when I was in law school with the horrible useless insurance and he cared whether I was having a good life A surgeon can you imagineThis book isn t really about that sort of failure the kind where current technology and understanding isn t enough It s about designing behavioral triggers to save lives by increasing compliance with hand washing drills and it s about the massive manpower efforts necessary to eliminate infectious diseases from the world and it s about what a patient is owed after a failure of any kind It struck a huge cord with me because one of the things that medicine and the practice of law at my level have in common is an expectation of a 0% error rate Seriously I am explicitly and implicitly told on a daily basis that anything less than perfection is failure There are no stupid slip ups and there are no impossible situations that no one could solve Which has nothing to do with reality of course Learning to live under these conditions is uh let s call it emotionally taxing and leave it at that Anyone who has ever been through a medical residency is probably nodding right nowSo I thought this book I got there was great Not just for the case studies of Polio outbreaks and third world surgery though they re pretty interesting But because this book is thinking specifically about that About the difference between an expectation of infallible perfection and the seldom acknowledged reality that our brains are imperfect and even the very best of us sometimes aren t good enough When someone has come to you for your expertise and your expertise has failed what do you have left You have only your character to fall back upon and sometimes it s only your pride that comes through Succinctly put and so very true Ask me about something I fucked up this past summer sometime and how the surgeon who failed was on my mind in the aftermath when all I had left to do was take it the best I could Anyway rambling I was intellectually engaged here on multiple levels the way you are when you re always thinking and reacting even when it isn t always good Insert a whole rebuttal essay here on Gawande s ablism in the section on improved rates of survival for devastating combat injuries and all his musing on whether life with this and that disability is actually worth living whatever the fuck that is supposed to mean Scrub that I know exactly what that s supposed to mean and I think it s crap Also the business of the disabled person in uestion not an able bodied columnist for The New Yorker snideAnd insert a whole other essay on the execution section and how Gawande and I have differing opinions on the death penalty he is for it and I am not but how fascinating it was that when presented with the ethical dilemma of doctor participation in executions he concluded that if executions cannot be conducted safely without doctors they shouldn t happen and I concluded doctors should be permitted to compromise their oaths Engaged like I said Sosyoloji Tarihi (Dünya’da ve Türkiye’de) is universal each one of us faces fatigue limited resources and Le origini di Internet imperfect abilities The International Cookbook for Kids in whatever we do But nowhere The 2nd International Cookbook for Kids is this drive to do better Calypso Wind important than Silent Cathedrals in medicine where lives are on the line with every decision In his new book Atul Gawande explores how doctors strive to close the gap between best Wild Heart intentions and best performance Türkiye Eskisi Gibi Olmayacak - Gezi direnişinin yazdırdığı kitap in the face of obstacles that sometimes seem The Chronicles of Sweetie Bee insurmountable Gawande's gripping stories of diligence Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire ingenuit. 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    (Better: A Surgeon's Notes on Performance) [E–book] ✓ Atul Gawande Atul Gawande á 7 Read Read & Download Ö eBook, PDF or Kindle ePUB á Atul Gawande Not nearly as good as his first in a number of waysWhat made Complications so exhilarating was that we were learning about being a doctor just as Gawande was learning about being a doctor Literally he wrote most of those essays while still a r

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    review Better: A Surgeon's Notes on Performance (Better: A Surgeon's Notes on Performance) [E–book] ✓ Atul Gawande Atul Gawande á 7 Read This is my 4th book by Gawande It's good very similar to most of the rest His best so far has been Being Mortal Medicine and What Matters in the End but the rest are well worth listening to I'm listing the TOC below will try to note anything o

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    review Better: A Surgeon's Notes on Performance (Better: A Surgeon's Notes on Performance) [E–book] ✓ Atul Gawande Atul Gawande á 7 Read Betterment is a perpetual labor The world is chaotic disorganized and vexing and medicine is nowhere spared that reality To complicate matters

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    (Better: A Surgeon's Notes on Performance) [E–book] ✓ Atul Gawande At a time when coronavirus has shifted medical care and delivery to a forefront of public discourse and a messy combination of research and misinformation is pouring out at the leading edge of science I feel myself prone to wrapping myself in a blanket of scientific security No other science writer can I turn to readily than Atul Gawande Having become a fan of his New Yorker articles and books I respect him and as I bec

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    (Better: A Surgeon's Notes on Performance) [E–book] ✓ Atul Gawande To complicate matters we in medicine are also only human ourselves We are distractible weak and given to our ow

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    review Better: A Surgeon's Notes on Performance (Better: A Surgeon's Notes on Performance) [E–book] ✓ Atul Gawande Better is a collage of essays by Atul Gawande MD MPH and its’ intent is to enrich outcomes via mindful application of “Diligence” “Doing Right” and “Ingenuity” as it applies to his profession Listening but not really listening and filtering are ualities of an astute surgeon knowing exactly what the patient needs On one such case of a hydrocephalic child reuiring immediate resolution “Unless surgery is performed to provide a

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    (Better: A Surgeon's Notes on Performance) [E–book] ✓ Atul Gawande Read & Download Ö eBook, PDF or Kindle ePUB á Atul Gawande The science of performance doing things better and smarter Gawande applies this directly to medicine and public health as he shares stories of health care around the globe I particular liked his history of cystic fibrosis treatment and the continued work on eradicating polio in southeast Asia and the subcontinent The afterword on 'postitive deviance' was uite good and can be applied widely While not the same gravitas

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    (Better: A Surgeon's Notes on Performance) [E–book] ✓ Atul Gawande Atul Gawande á 7 Read Better collects surgeon Atul Gawande's recent essays on medicine in three categories Diligence Doing Right and Ingenuity Each essay on topics as diverse as washing hands to minimize infections in hospitals and doctors participating in executio

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    review Better: A Surgeon's Notes on Performance (Better: A Surgeon's Notes on Performance) [E–book] ✓ Atul Gawande Atul Gawande á 7 Read Excellent He writes wellThis covers several subjects that are core to current medicine as it is presently practiced Ones which are RARELY discussed Like when are 3rd parties as witness in the room during exams deemed mandatory This varies with extreme difference for culture nuance or governmental law England has different practice for this as common for instance And the paper drape issueThere are several subje

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